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seven weeks after the supreme court struck down section 4 of the voting rights act, on monday north carolina became the first state in the country to pass into law sweeping voter restrictions. the state's republican governor signed the bill into law in a private ceremony with no cameras. he later explained his decision on youtube. >> let me be direct. many of those from the extreme left who have been criticizing photo i.d. are using scare tactics. they're more interested in divisive politics than ensuring that no one's vote is disenfranchised by fraudulent balanceant. >> to be clear it's the governor who is doing the disenfranchisement, it cuts early voting by a week, eliminates same-day voters registration, ends preregistration for 16 and 17-year-olds, and starting in 2016 requires voters to show a
government-issued i.d. before they can cast a vote. the law was immediately challenged in the court and also criticized by hillary clinton, who offered her most -- >> legislators in north carolina have pushed through a bill that reads like the greatest hits of voter suppression. in 2013 so far, more than 80 bills restricting voting rights have been -- not every obstacle is related to race, but anyone who says that racial discrimination is no longer a problem must not be paying attention. >> clinton describes the threat of voter fraud as a fannen epidemic, a fact born out by the fact that among the nearly 7 million ballots cast last year there were only 121 cases of potentially voters fraud, less than 1/100 of 1%. while the administration has yet to respond to the passage, the
legislation was discussed at a white house meeting with civil rights leaders last month. eric holder announce the last month that voter -- >> my colleagues and i are determined to use every tool at our disposal to stan iismgts joining me today josh barrow. managing editor and joy reid. columnist for "new york times" frank bruini, and contribute are editor at "new york" magazine benjamin wallace wells. i want to say the name, over and over and over again hi also had an editorial in the observer in which he said, even in the instances of misidentified people casting votes or law,
that shouldn't prevent us putting this burdensome safeguard in place. two things i have to say about that. 318,000 now, and two admitting that nobody's been robbed here. this is as hillary suggests, a phantom epidemic. >> and how crank out for the governor. you wouldn't want anybody asking but it, but i think that's emblematic of what governors mike mckrory are doing. they are passing really unpopular legislation be sides just this. and then passing.
let's just put that in there as well. the idea -- and keep in mind, getting rid of early voting, cutting it down by five days. in the 2012 election, democrats were doing really well in early votes. early vote is where democrats tend to do the best. you directly impact african-american and young voters. >> in his dramatically courageous youtube experience. >> i'm glad you mentioned that. >> he calls it extreme left care tactics. yet tame is unwilling to face the public, and have the debate, admitted he didn't know about certain parts. >> when he says extreme left, what he's saying is when you look at some of the components, they don't look that burdensome,
but where it becomes suspicious is almost everyone is connected. that's why he is on youtube as opposed to a press conference, because he doesn't want to address that criticism. >> a comment here, josh, is that 56% of north carolinians voted early in 2012. this voters suppression stuff will affect conservatives, republicans, people of all stripes. but to say that some of this isn't going to be just affecting the democrats is a wild sort of over simplification, and actually may come from the republic who did a numerical analysis. i think both overestimate, what cohen found, he thought about 40% of the people who voted, but don't possess the kind of idea
actually voted to romney. what that means is this kind of law would only improve a republican's margin by about 0.3. percent. but to push back on that a bit, romney won north carolina by 912,000 votes, and i think a quarter of that, and we are talking about 318,000 votes -- >> no we're only talking about a net margin of 30,000 votes, actually. >> but i think remember, north carolina is officially one of those sweet states. so the problem is you're affecting the very people who could flip that state in a presidential election. >> there's something more going on clash the voting calculus. this issue really rallies the base. that's why you see had beillary
clinton coming out on it. >> i want to talk about that. at a pla is called the grio, perry bacon writes the decision to make the first policy speech illustrates how an issue that had been largely twined on outside liberal activist or extreme left-wingers has now become one of the central causes of key democratic leaders. >> and i think hillary clinton and the rest of the democrats would love for it to continue to be one. i think it lacked that kind of urgency, the activist base, the people that you just described are also people who went to work for barack obama and helped swing the election. for me there's another interesting component, which is eric holder, who you mentioned a minute ago. he's been at the center of progressive complaints about
the -- now he has a chance to redeem himself a bit. we saw it yesterday, him coming out with this push against mandatory minimums, now with a chance to move ahead, it's like a real tipping point that is possible for holder's legacy over the next year or two. >> we're going to talk about the question of race, and in a bit, but to the point of the obama coalition and hillary's appeal to the obama coalition, i will read an excerpt from "the washington post" shawn sullivan says -- clinton can afford to keep a low public profile, but she simply can't be a nonfactor on the big issues of the day. voting rights is one, a topic over which she could begin to make her case. >> yeah, i think it's fascinating, back in 2007, 2008, the big divide that hillary clinton and barack obama were
trying to divide up the african-american votes, and it flipped dramatically to barack obama, and it sort of accelerated, but hillary has to reestablish herself because of the math. when you had the minority vote share go up to 28% in 2012, where it had been 26% in 2008, that means it's going up about 2.5% every four years. so that's the way you secure the presidency, she has to weigh in. >> and lets republicans continue to talk urmts and they're doing thick like this that literally push the it overboard. their explanation is that they just need to drive up a larger share of the older white folk. >> frank, to the clinton piece, we will all remember bill clinton was, quote/unquote the first black president -- >> until we actually had one. >> as we do now.
>> and there was a moment in the 2008 where clinton compared obama to jesse jackson, and i think there was a real schism within the democratic party. certainly the clintons were deeply upset at the idea that this would have been a racially loaded comments given clinton's relationship to the black community. so in many ways hillary coming out of the gates with this as her first statement i'm not saying this is the mea culpa -- >> it's a smart bit of focus, but what ben said about urgency is important. she's engaged in real time with the day. i think her greatest enemy is the notion of the inevitability of entitlement and she's just going to coast in. i think you'll see her doing a lot of specific speeches. i'm not just waiting for this to
fall into my lap. >> i will note, josh, hill re's next speech will be in philadelphia on transparency and national security. which is -- i mean, can i say the word ballsy on tv? i just did. given where we are on those two topics how difficult it is to parse the issues of civil liberties for people on both the right and the left, and her involvement as secretary of state, the benghazi stuff. >> there's new evidence there. it is a pretty incendiary topic. >> i think it's a surprising choice. this is a needle that the president has been trying to threat and not very well. we saw in his press conference last week, the president welcomes the discussion of these issues, but not really. so it should be an issue i think more than any other right now
that the president's base is displeased. will hillary going to try to get to his left? i'm surprised that she's broaching the issue. it's a minefield for her. she doesn't want to pick a fight with the president. to have hillary out there. i mean, this is going to be the interesting thing about the second term is that you have obviously a campaign gearing up even earlier than usual and the former secretary of state talking about interesting that the president is still grappling with. >> and much easier to address those issues than from inside of it. i think the progressive mind-set on national security is not totally foreign yet. i think a lot of people are looking for some guidance on what should progressives think about this nexus of protection of people from terrorism and protection of civil liberties.
i think one thing that hillary clinton has a chance to do here is establish herself as exactly the kind of character she wasn't able to play in the last election, as somebody who is kind of a loadstock. >> and i guarantee there will be some televisions tuned to that address at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. we have to take a short break, but coming up, if you don't think there's some sensitivity among republicans about the connection between voter restriction and -- then look no further than right-wing pundit, who tweeted -- more raidcard desperation, hillary clinton slams voter suppression and racial discrimination. we will look at the intersection just ahead. sorry. sore knee.
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on friday, senate majority leader harry leigh lamented the twin causes of republican obstruction filibusters and gridlock. while doing so, reid also questioned whether a less discussed obstacles might be behind the other two. >> we've been now seven months into this second term of the president's, and they haven't changed much. so i -- it's been obvious that they're doing everything they can to make him fail. and i hope, i hope that it's -- and i say this seriously. i hope that that's based on substance, not the fact that he's an african-american. we will discuss hate, speech and racism's resurgence. that's next.
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over the weekend at state fares across the country, millions gathered to eat corndogs tried fried butter on a steak, maybe even a ride on a tilt awhen i, but a missouri state fair, on saturday a rodeo clown at the state's fair wore a president obama face mask to rile up the crowds, asking if anyone wanted to see president obama get run over by a bull. >> let me tell these people who we got helping. obama will just have to stay there. watch out for those bulls. >> he's going to get you. >> according to attendees, the crowds went wild. local resident perry beam, a self-proclaimed old country boy said he had, quote, never seen
anything so blatantly racist in his life and the scene was like an effigy at a klan rally. the state fair and missouri rodeo cowboy association rushed to apologize. senator mccaskill and the state's governor came forward to condemn the incident. official announced that the rodeo clown has been banned from ever participated or performing at the missouri state fair again, but the reality is he's not the only one standing in the ring. far from it. last tuesday, protesters chanted bye-bye black sheep. another shouted he's 47% negro, and another held a sign that said impeach the half-white muslim. protester had one that read kenyan go home. this poses much larger questions about the last summer, writing
in "the atlantic" it was described as the fear of a black president, something that isn't just present in the rodeo ring, but lives in the has of congress. his first term has coincided with the strategy of massive resistance on the part of the republican opposition, and a record number of filibuster -- it would be nice if this was merely a reaction to his politics, if this resistance was clear will -- but the greater abiding challenge to the national political standing has always rested on the existential fact that if he had a son he would look like trayvon martin. the rodeo clown is just one piece of a much broader set of issues. since president obama took office, which is to say, our discomfort with, a, tackling race, but also racism in this country is still very much alive. i wonder what you make of both
what harry reid has suggested in recent days and what tan ease in-coats wrote last summer. in terms of motivating animating factors in the has of congress, one of them being race. >> i think what harry reid said is absolutely true. we hope it isn't the race that lies the over the top vicious opposition. and i think barack obama's election coincided with a general anxiety among a certain subset of americans who are probably the greatest small beneficiaries in a lot of ways of the social experiment, the new deal. they went to college on stafford loans, they sent their children to college on federal loans. increasingly opposed to the social safety net, being perceived that something that immigrants were taking from
them. black people were -- barack obama is the culmination of those anxieties in human form. it's the opposition to his person that animates a lot. to him and his policies i go back to 2007, 2008 when people were shows up with monkey dolls. what was that is supposed to be? is that not racial? >> and david mcauliffe, circulated a photo of obama as a witch doctor. maybe there's an argument on him as a member of the mel community that this is tied more to witch doctoring and medicine and obama care, but these images are incredibly loaded. i think many see that as a decidededly racist image. yet there is the erection of a defense on some folks on the right who say, do you remember how george bush was treated?
i just think the signage and language and history is so much deeper and these images are so much more insensitive than anything that george bush faced. >> but i think the really important comparison is to back to the last democratic president who made republicans crazy with hate for him. so lfb i images like that are racist, but i don't think republicans hate him because he's black, but because he's a democratic president, and a lot of the discussion gets built around his race. republicans would tell you that he had orchestrated the murder of vince foster and he was a rapist and all these other horrible thing. >> i think that's very different that go home, you're 47% kneelingo and go home, kenyan. these are cultural stereotypes, rachellely inflammatory.
>> i mostly agree with what josh said i think the hatred comes first and then you use everything you have, but there are some things unique. we have people questioning whether he was born in the united states. it goes on, if you look at polls in more nan 5% of people i think the color of his skin, the oddity of his name, a lot of people see him as other that goes beyond just ideological disagreements. >> there's no fundamental question whether -- they hated bill clinton, it was almost pathological, but and then there's also this rise of neoconfed rich that's happen. >> the southern strategy. >> this sort of john calhoun image, where you have this notion that political minorities don't have to respect the will of the majority. the idea of nullification, sore of interposition coming back to the republican party and to their language, the new head of the nra talking about the war of
northern aggression, the celebration around this southern confederate. >> or rand paul's adviser wearing a confederate mask and how john wilkes booth had his heart in the right place. to sort of pivot for a second race is very much in the ether, and we are recognizing it in a more public way, but the president is tackling it in a more meaningful way. and writer started tackling this in the last segment, but everything from eric holder to the mandatory minimum sentencing and trying to strike that down at the federal level, to the president's address and remarks a ad hoc as they were. i think he's owning that in a way he didn't in the first fiduciary. >> there's another possibility here, thoughings that i think is important that lingers. >> and that's the question is
what if this country is more racist than we acknowledge? in 2008, there's a big poll around the election and they ask non-black respondents to rank members of their own race and african-americans on a scale of 1 to 100 on trust worthyness, work ethic and intelligence. across the country, not just conservatives, white voters ranked whites 15 points ahead of blacks. that's astonishing the numbers were, as you might expect, strongest in the deep south, you know, six of the eight states that are highest were louisiana, mississippi, states like this. one of the things that's interesting to me is the states that ended up lowest on the list were not the most liberal or coals mott policy tan. they were the whitest states, like north dakota, idaho, and northern new england. so there's this just lingering craziness that still exist it is
out there. obviously there's a tactics to the take on votes rights, but we also have to consider the possibility and i think the president is sort of considering this that we're a bit more racist than we like to think. >> we're here in new york city where the stop-and-frisk, the fact that the judge sheindlin has rule that stop and frisk is unconstitutional, hats given rights to a huge debate about whether people of color truly are treated equally. you have mayor bloomberg say this policy is good for minority communities and you have a judge who says it's unstill independents and african-americans have been saying for decades that profiling is wrong and feels wrong, and it reduces -- there's been this unwillingness to tackle the notion that african-american people are people, an the feeling they're being profiled, the things that happen in their day-to-day lives
have never been discussed, and i think there was an aha moment on the part of larger society who said, hello, we've been trying to talk about this for a long time. i think the time that obama began to bother, the kind of african-american acceptable on the right is just in everything they do absolves america of everything. if you come an cross and say it's all right, i absolve you completely, we don't have to ever taupe about jim crow, it's all good. >> i'm proof it's over. >> just look at me and i'm prove it's all good. that's the kind of african-american expected barack obama to be. when he starting to rick at tpr everything that everything is not right, that's when it becoming a problem. >> i would agree with him on this, that the more we talk
about it, the more we acknowledge was going on, that there is -- that the -- it is incumbent on the next generation to help make us better, i think that's a powerful notion. to your point, joy, i think that could be sort of the balm for those who don't want to hear about it, that the future perhaps might be less racist than the america we see now. if we deal with it. that's the big if. i think a lot of people just don't have conversations, people just pretend things are okay, and when something like trayvon martin case happens or the stop-and-frisk case happens -- the rodeo clown if anything good, he's once broke -- >> the movie "the butler" will get a lot more attention, i say it last night. i think it will spurt
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america's moving from leave it to beaver to bright lights, big city. in her new book -- frank likes that joke "the end of the suburbs" lee gallagher argues, simply speaking, gallagher writes more and more americans don't want to live in the suburbs. i do not mean to suggest that all communities are going extinct, but the reliable expansion that we became used to may well be a thing of the past. joining us is leigh gallagher, author of the books "the end of the suburbs." leigh, this is a false flaying, and very timely. i think we talk a lot these days about fairness, what's happens in american life in terms of poverty. i want to know sort of why you think it's on its way out. >> well, i think the american
suburbs started out as one thing, and along the way as we grew and grew, they jumped their own shark in a way. it's been superseded by the super size, where people lift ten miles away from the nearest place to get a gallon of milk. a lot of people in this country live that way. len you look at where the nuclear family is rapidly
becoming the minority family structure, household structure, so major changes are happening, and they impact everybody. they're happening now, and not necessarily a bad things. it's going to be more choices for everybody. the future is not just sky scrapers in manhattan. this -- i thought it was fairly staggers. between 2000, and 2011, the number of people living below the federal poverty line grew by of 4% in the suburbs, more than twice the rate in the cities. it's sort of the hidden poverty, and there's this is idea, while there is an increasing number of working poor in the suburbs,
what makes poverty there different, is the number of people until recently were typical middle-class suburban residents, those whose identity is built an providing for themselves article their family have a much harter time asking for help. part of that is because the suburbs have grown. but the thing about suburban poverty is not just particularly for the people who started out not below the positive line and slipped there, they don't want anybody to know. the services are fewer, you know, the car in the suburbs is the only way -- so, you know, people don't have that kind of
transportation, so this is one of a number of reversals i talk about in the book. crime rates, also similar -- and crime rates that's line a sea change, they with the sepia tones, and sort of butting up against the 2013 reality, which is that you don't have a job, or maybe if you do, it's a low wage-paying job. there's no sense of commune, no infrastructure, and beyond that, cities are where the ideas are being born.
there was that great piece in the times about how many literally transportation and access to public transportation can matter, the ability to get to a new job and not be growing an hour snatch, so cities make a lot of sense. >> the rule and in poverty and in economic well-being is fairly pronounced. and in the atlantic, they write -- the a particular type did, the low-density and rachellely polarized suburbs. there's a noticeable difference. i.e. we are better off when we're together and all mixed up.
>> all this stuff, what are the consequences of regularly seeing other people, not what are the consequences of isolate. we talk about that in political terms, we talk about it in economic terms. lee will tell me if i'm wrong here, but the population in the suburbs, but also is built by the emptying of the rural part of the country, and the first part of 20th century. there's a complicated long-term story where part of it has to do with crime, and part of it has to do with a very, very slow process, where people are trying to deal -- >> is that -- >> that's true. i think predominant growth, but that was true. the suburbs are created to be the halfway point, not city, not rural, but let's mix it together. that worked well, and there is a
future, so the suburbs, i spent a lot of time in the book talking about this. and home builders and developers, everyone wants to walk where you with get a cup of coffee. that's the new american dream, really. that's a big part of the future. the most forward-looking communities are adapting to that the that's where people want, especially where the young people want. but they are that's the whole next shift. joy reid won't live anywhere where she can't walk to get a cup of coffee. >> and a very specific kind, too. no brands will be mentioned, no free advertising. coming up. for the first time in the history, a woman is in the pilot's seat at the u.s. air force cad me. we'll discuss just ahead.
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i want you to hear it directly from me, the commander in chief. it undermines what this military stands for, and it undermines what the marine corp stands for when sexual assault takes place within our units. as the pentagon prepares new rules to prevent the epidemic, yesterday the first woman to head the u.s. air force academy
took up her post. a former rhodes scholar, lt. generality michelle johnson is the first since the academy was opened nearly 60 years ago. her leadership comes at a difficult time for the air force. chuck hagel has called sexual assault in the military a scourge action one for which there is as yet for cure. in may the officer in charge for prevention for the air force was charged with sexual battery in a virginia parking lot, and in 2003, air force academy officials were accused of downplaying dozens of assaults on campus. the pentagon currently estimates that 26,000 people in the armed forces were sexually assaulted last year, up from 19,000 in 2010. only 3,000, a fraction of total estimates were reported. joining me, i go to you first. as ladies, i think there's great hope in the fact that there's a woman in charge. i think part of the problem is
there's not been enough millennium in leadership positions. >> it took women in congress, particularly kristin jill i brand and others to push for this we should also make a point that there are men who are victims of this assault, but i think the culture of the military is at the core here. the problem is we had this recruiting frenzy, because we ramped up so many wars, we need to start going back to the idea of a high quality, where there's high levels of discipline. but we have to get it back to a culture. >> i wouldn't impugn the men and women who have gone over and sacrifice their lives, but i do think -- we know that secretary hagel has some ideas they are still going to keep the adjudication process this is
about a cultural shift. if they're encouraged -- and if above all, commander monitored their own conduct, never signaling that women are second-class citizens. >> that column was based on an interview with someone who is teaching. he was brought in for a year, because they want to prevent sexual violence. i think he would tell you that this is great, because when you have that's a signal that's not
particularly helpful if you're trying to prevent sexual violence. for the ka dezsh that's a different kind of signal. look at what'se women an ever before and the questions being asked are different. they're different when women are asking them. i think this issue is being brought to the forefront for many reasons, including just the greater number of women insisting that we pay attention to it. >> the tenacity is in large part due to senator gillibrandivities i think actually it's not just senator gill i brandt. on the other side senator mccaskill has been pushing a different it seems to be a genuine effort within the congress to figure out which of these approaches is actually going to be the best for preventing sexual assaults in the military.
i think it's an issue that's being taken serially, because you have so many women engaging with it. we saw with the implementation of don't ask/don't tell, which is so much smoother, when the top brass in the military says, no, we're going to do there, have our culture this way and take it seriously, they can push those changes. the question is, can they do it on this issue? >> i would i say the adjudication process is one thing, but one of the great points you raise it is about thinking about the women you serve with differently, and generally thinking about women differently. >> in all walks of life. >> joy made a great point, a huge number of the attacks are again men. these are people not just women. >> it's being brought to the forein a way it's not been brought before. >> leigh gallagher, thank you, as always. >> thank you. check that amazon number. >> and that is all for now.
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